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Same poster here, but why do we have to get roped into other people's shit? If they want to gas each other let them gas each other. Billions of people across the world are just trying to get through their lives, going to work and earning money to try and be happy, but our world leaders identify our "enemies" and we have to go and die in some shit hole country or get nuked after Trump goes mad and presses the button.
If they want to fight let them fight. Why should we die because our world leaders say so. I just want to live my 70/80 years of life in peace without having to worry about getting nuked or shot by peace Muslims.
The OPCW team arrived in Syria yesterday at the request of Russia, as they are scheduled to start its work on investigating the Douma site.
For the US, UK and France to launch Syria strikes now is extraordinary and smells of a con.
Another illegal war folks.
Dumb people will eat up anything from TV news here, just like everywhere including USA. And those people will think anything they are being manipulated to.
It's just a whole shit show where are no good guys there, we all are the bad guys.
>Same poster here, but why do we have to get roped into other people's shit?
Simple: because war is profitable. Here's an essay on the matter which you might find interesting, its by one of the most decorated generals in US history https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CA
So long as society is structured upon systems of hierarchy and the workers remain subjugated by a system of "elites", war will be inevitable. Never in history have the working class declared war, it has always been a result of the desires of the ruling class.
>Hurr durr its the juice
That's odd, I never knew Donald Trump, Theresa May, or Emanuel Macron were Jewish! In fact, I'm pretty sure they're actually the sort of ruling class white people that you /pol/yps foolishly believe give a shit about you simply because you're the same "race"
The world is a stage. The few keep the many in check with shit like this. Doesn't even have to be real and people will clamor for security at the drop of a pen.
Just fooking happen already so we can go back to being nomads and hunter gatherers.
Comfy AF imho
Kings used to fight their own battles. They believed in the war enough that some would put their life on the line for victory. Now all our leaders are fat and money hungry. No principles, no scruples no fucks given. There is a clear agenda at work. Trump is no different than hilldawg and the show must go on.
Russia, china, and the usa DONT want to fight each other. We do want to scoop as much territory away from each other as possible without open conflict.
>arming alqueida to fight russia in afghanistan
>russia invading ukraine when the cia had it close to joining NATO
>china flipping the phillipines
> now usa invading syria on the flimsiest excuse imaginable
It must be nice to live in a world where everything that goes against your beliefs is the fault of some corrupting outside force, some "other".
The fact of the matter is that the ruling class have never cared about the workers beyond keeping them complacent and capable of performing labor, you keep clinging to some ridiculous notion that they would magically start treating the workers better if it wasn't for some sort of Jewish conspiracy. The Jewish members of the ruling class don't care about the Jewish workers, the white members of the ruling class don't care about the white workers, and the same goes for the blacks and arabs and Asians and everyone else- the ruling class care only about their own interests, and that's why they're more than happy to send the working class off to die if it means greater profits for them.
The workers can amass wealth when the free market provides. Socialists tyrants do not want this, they must be the ones to thrive while they can leech of the others. Everyone that hampers freedom and the free market should be a criminal
Isolated attack that doesn't completely disrupt Assad's chemical weapon capabilities. Also can't say the use of chemical weapons was an excuse because this was the 9th chemical weapon attack by Assad since Trump last attacked Syria.
Obviously still a lot more desirable than what that warmonger Bolton demanded which was a full on invasion, but this is clearly a Wag the dog operation to distract from Trump's home problem.
There are basically no socialists that are anti-property, so that's a straw man. Humans can't participate in the economy unless someone invests in them first, either during childhood or if they fall on hard times. That's why we have a social safeynet. People and wildlife can't vote with dollars they don't have, that's why we have regulation.
There are very few things that expert economists agree on when it comes to what makes an economy richest in the long-term.
We know that better technology and more skilled human capital are important. We know that incentivising people to work is important. And we know that slow growth over generations is necessary to turn an undeveloped economy into a modern one. (At least, these have been characteristic of virtually all high-income countries to date.)
When it comes to maximizing GDP per capita in the long-term, there is virtually no consensus on the ideal way to structure the economy.
Well, Im from moscow and though I dislike russian regime and planning to emigrate, I don't trust european countries and states on their accusations of chemical attacks by Syrian army. Just remember what happened in Iraq - no chemical weapons were found. Tony Blair later said that he knew there was no no proof of their existence in Iraq. How is this situation different? Also, is Assad an idiot to to gas some rebels and put his ass to risk of US shelling? It all looks like a staged thing to me and this is sad. I wish I could paint people black and white in this case, but this one looks just super suspicious. All you need is steal a chemical ordnance and explode in residantial district during army's attack. You can sure prove that people were harmed by chemical weapon. But how can you find out who used it?
We can only base our interpretations off of what the western governments tell us. What they say is this:
>a type of helicopters were seen dropping barrel bombs before the attack by unnamed civilians in the area.
>opposition groups don't have that type of helicopters, or barrel bombs
>the Assad regime does have those type of helicopters, and were seen dropping barrel bombs
>non-aligned charity-based medical groups reported civilian deaths as a result of these attacks.
You're right that a thorough investigation hasn't been conducted (because it's a war-zone). But I can't imagine who would go through that much effort to make it look like it was them, and what interest they would have. I'm not sure the rebel groups they're fighting are that organized to stage such an elaborate display.
Of course the Russian narrative is that the UK helped stage this display to justify an attack.
The western leaders don't divulge classified information that may harm the war effort, so it's hard to know what exactly made them do this. But it would not have been done lightly with flimsy evidence. I just don't think the UK or the USA could get away with staging such an attack, not sure who else could have the resources or ability. It seems more likely that is was the Assad regime, since they seem to have a history of such attacks. Unless they were all staged, too. That just seems unlikely.
No use in pointing fingers. No one knows the truth except for the leaders themselves. It could've been staged, it could've been a leak of actual chemical weapons, or it could've been an actual use. At the end of the day, it did get used and someone had to take the blame.
If it deters other countries ie North Korea from pursuing it, then it's worth it. It's not like civilians got blown up.
you arent wrong, we dont want open warfare. That is why we fight eachother using satellite countries. When korea and vietnam happened it was really usa vs china, we just used the little shithole countries to duke it out. Right now its a little more obvious that its basically russia vs usa in syria.. syria is just the venue. Russia, usa and china all have this unspoken agreement to use the shithole countries they have influence on as a battle ground for furthering their agendas. Im not sure if europe ever really plays into this as europe is so broken up and not unified enough to act as one without bickering among themselves as to the proper course of action so of course nothing really gets done with them.
ok im done with my tinfoil hat right now, of course this is just my opinion and in no way factual.
>implying 5 years isn't enough time to change your kind
>implying it's not ok for people to have a change of heart
Convictions are stupid! Understand a situation and change your views acccoringly. Don't just stick with one idea your whole life, you wont get anywhere that way. The world is an ever changing place, humans are not black and white. You have to be ready to change at any time.
Listen buddy, trump did what every would be leader does. Sells hope. Dreams and ideas. But life, and humans none of it is as simple as saying "it's what we want!" there's a lot of bullshit you gotta wade through, a lot of crap trying to stop you and sometimes you gotta make compromises, sometimes you gotta break promises. Now with that said, I don't believe trump broke any promise. He said he wanted to break away from Obama's doings. Whether that means compelet dissolve Obama's works, or even simply just rewrite it. He never said anything that was concrete, rather open ended. And you guys just took it and ran a mile with it! IT'S YOUR fault you're so upset
>IT'S YOUR fault
>you're so upset
There's one person who sounds very upset here and it's not me.
But I humored you and did some basic google searches to see if indeed he broke no promises:
>We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare – and nobody can do that like me. We will save $'s and have much better healthcare!
s/politics/wp/2017/03/24/its-true-t rump-didnt-pledge-obamacare-repeal- in-64-days-he-pledged-it-in-one/
>I’m going to instruct my Treasury Secretary to label China, ... they’re a currency manipulator and we’re going to apply tariffs to any country that devalues its currency to gain an unfair advantage over the United States.
eaks-major-campaign-promise-wont-la bel-china-a-currency-manipulator-82 17367c9bb1/
>promises not to play golf
>He never said anything that was concrete, rather open ended.
This is the big question that should be asked, but I have yet to see any discussion on the topic.
Why would Assad or any leader for that matter commit an act like this if they had the rebelling forces on the run? Not to mention a second time...
This almost give insensitive for rebel groups to bomb themselves or civilians with chemicals to provoke entities like the US, ultimately helping the rebel cause.
The Obama care one was taken care of. I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you implying liberals weren't in his way the whole time? He put tariffs on china and the golf one...well business is done on the green. I'm sure he meant never as in a never play golf in a casual relaxed way.
Cuz he knows he can get away with it and needs to inflict terror on the rebels?
Yeah, it's stupid to do it at this stage, but there's very little reason not to. Well, other than ethics - but this is a man who displaced, killed, or caused the exodus of 2/3rds of his nation's populous just to stay in power whose father started the trend of suicide bombers for simple revenge. Whether he was in the right or not, this isn't a man who would hesitate to do this.
Not saying it isn't fishy as fuck though.
>Trump orders strike on Syria
HAHAHAHAHA, take a deep whiff of his bullshit.
He's so dumb it's almost adorable.
No, pinhead... the title is:
Unitedstateans backstab their allies, for the gazillionth time (this time being al-Assad) in the exact same day they were refused passage of the Qatar pipeline through Syrian territory.
They've been concocting all sorts of perverse machinations since at least 2013 to grab a slice of Russia's staggering 70% market share on natural gas.
Trump, Macron, flying bombs and chlorine, my ass.
The one thing whose stupidity level trumps all this are the unfortunates hung up on law who don't realize when shit hits the fan, law is the first one to run for cover.
he doesn't need to inflict terror on anyone, and if he did he could just use conventional tube or missile artillery, mortars or direct fire weapons.
the tube has a fucking army with tanks, an army that is relatively close to victory, he doesn't need to bound across red lines left and right and to be honest he would have to be sub-70 IQ to think that it's worth the risk.
>to grab a slice of Russia's staggering 70% market share on natural gas.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
Fracking has made North American and European natural gas so abundant and cheap that we basically now have domestic energy independence. But more importantly, cheap natural gas has devastated Russia's (and Syria's fwiw) oil industry, the resulting gov't budget tightenings which resulted being a major contributor to the Color Revolutions and Arab Spring.
If we or anyone wanted to buy Russian gas of any sort at a competitive rate, they'd be building through minefields and oceans to get it to us.
Obamacare is still here what are you talking about? China has not been labeled a currency manipulator and still has not been despite the plain language promise that it will be labeled as one.
What kind of mental gymnastics are you going to respond to me with? If I applied your standards to everyone else, then no politician in history has ever lied or broke a promise.
Kekekekek... implying the world began yesterday.
>WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
2017 EuroStats' energy report, dumbass. (since the 2018 one is not yet compiled)
Out of 900 million tonnes of EU-28's primary energy imports, two thirds (64.1%) of natural gas in 2015 came from Russia, Norway or Algeria.
Grab a drink if you want to sit and sift through pages and pages of data for the exact figures, but since the first pages of the report, something that is very clearly admitted is that: "Russia has maintained its position as the main supplier of crude oil and natural gas".
"70% Russian" and "65% Russian, Norwegian, or Algerian" are very much not the same thing.
>By contrast, Russia’s share of EU-28 imports of natural gas declined from 34.6 % to 26.8 % between 2005 and 2010, but this development was reversed and a relative peak of 32.4 % was recorded in 2013, after which the share fell somewhat to just below 30.0 %. During the 10 years shown in Table 3, Norway remained the second largest supplier of EU imports of natural gas, its share rising from close to one fifth (20.2 % in 2005) to more than one quarter (25.9 % in 2015). The share of EU-28 natural gas supplies that originated from Algeria was almost halved between 2005 and 2015, whereas the share from Qatar rose almost fivefold.
So: ~30% Russia, ~25% Norway, leaving (presumably) 10% Algeria.
>That said, the EU-28 energy dependency rate rose by 0.9 percentage points between 2013 and 2015. Looking in more detail, the highest rates in 2015 were recorded for crude oil (88.8 %) and for natural gas (69.1 %), while the latest rate available for solid fuels was 42.8 %.
So, Russia presumably commands 30% * 70% of the European natural gas market = 21%, a far cry from 70%.
>Obamacare is still here what are you talking about?
Not that guy but they did get rid of the individual mandate which was basically the foundation of ACA. The problem is the individual mandate is required to avoid people gaming the system and causing the entire insurance market to eventually collapse. Trump actually made a worse healthcare system than "Obamacare"
>US about to withdraw forces
>Trump announce forces withdraw in 6 months
>Russian warns that US may false flag another chemical attack
>Russia invites inspectors to country to verify
>US attacks anyways
Sounds like business as usual in the US... At war for 93% of it's existence and counting
We struck a science complex and what we claim is a chemical weapons storage facility. But in all honesty the second claim can't be verified otherwise it would imply we already have proof they have chemical weapons.
Which implies were just being fed propaganda
How deep is your biased conviction? Pol likes to shill trump as a God above man, a man who can get anything done at a snap of a finger. Did you really take that shit hole serious? Listen, trump is human. Like you, and me and every other president. You say he made campaign promises that he broke, i see campaign promises that haven't been able to be delivered because of the left AND the right trying to stop him for equally bullshit reasons. Trump wants to get these things done, he wants to deliver but i think he just underestimated the amount of bullshit he'd have to wade through. And you sit here saying shit like "he didn't do it yet! Worst president everrrrr! Why doesn't he perform magic to ge these promises delivered hurrrrr durrrrrrr" you need to step off and breathe and relaize it doednt just hapoen over night. Trump wanted to get peoppe motivated, he wanted people to understand how serious he was and what he wanted to do. Don't blame him that politics is a messy game with delays. But....His presidency isn't over, so no promises have been broken.
>Why doesn't he perform magic
Cause he promised magic, and the voters voted him in cause they literally thought he was going to perform magic. You think I'm mad at him? I always knew his retarded promises weren't going to be fulfilled, I'm more annoyed at the voters for thinking he was going to fulfill them or even be different. He's not different in any positive way.
>Worst president everrrrr!
Literally never stated this in my posts.
>His presidency isn't over, so no promises have been broken.
I would be willing to bet actual money that no wall will be built, nobody labeled a currency manipulator, and no significant growth in manufacturing jobs will happen by 3 years in the future.
Shut the fuck up about Donald Trump, you two tards...
seriously, just the name is enough to make people cringe their teeth... I thought Bush was a baboon and the most barely functional primate ever to lead that mass of sheeple, but Trump is light years beyond that...
Never seen a biped more embarrassing, silly, illiterate, bullshitter, arrogant, annoying, oxymoronic and shamefully pathetic on the face of this earth.
Seriously, the guy just has to open his mouth (doesn't need to utter a single word) and I'm already rolling on the floor in laughter at the very sight of the clown.
Europe is in a depression
Trump need the the student loan money for personal law suits
Most student loan owed to the treasury department are illegal and the school ripped off the students.
Trump is in charge so he gets the blame.
Black tentents of Donald Trump come forward and sue. He blames blacks for being destructive to his properties.
Don’t forget the poison he put in the rivers last month
Like George Washington
It is time
>Assad, US Ally
Yes, you dumbfuck mentally impaired 5min attention span troglodytic barely functional baboon...
al-Assad and the USA have been secretly exchanging thousand of dossiers with the most invaluable information on Jihadist radicals in the area who they considered mutual enemies ever since the early 2000's... because, guess what... surprise, surprise... that's what allies do.
>How many US allies host Russian air bases?
Alliances don't imply exclusivity. That proud ass of yours clearly thinks too high of itself.
>Assad is a Russian ally
Of course he is now... no one can keep an alliance with people who say:
"You follow what I order you or I'll turn against you"
that is not a minimally trustworthy alliance in any way.
I bet that's how you rationalize the things you're shown on the telly where orangutans point out the great evil that we must save this world from and then show you little children trippin on chlorine, always making sure to hide the manufacturer's tag, and hush hush all the attention away from who's smuggling it with detonators disguised as cigarette packs into the country, and above all, WHY.
You're being deceived, dumbass.
>"70% Russian" and "65% Russian, Norwegian, or Algerian" are very much not the same thing
Most Russian gas is exported to Europe, period. That's 70% Russian, not 70% European. Have no idea how much they import and couldn't care less.
>The people who voted for them inoculated by jewish media.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, speaking of election...
1) Comparatively speaking, UK/USA/France have less people bothering with voting
2) Syria however has massive election voting participation (don't have more because sometimes embassies are even blocked in foreign attempts to sabotage the results)
And yet these nations are spreading democracy??????
Let's send these ridiculously laughable unfortunates a few shipping containers of humanitarian aid in the form of English/French dictionaries cause they desperately need them.
>Good on Trump for calling out the bullshit manufactories of Russia and company. They talk a good talk and meme good memes but on the field of battle they're dogshit and they know it.
Then see with your own eyes: https://youtube.com/watch?v=miMQypD
April 14, France, UK and US offer missiles to Damascus.
April 17, Russia offers bulldozers, cranes, trucks, excavators, cables, pipes and wood to Damascus.
Who's the wolf?
>Good on Trump for calling out the bullshit manufactories of Russia and company. They talk a good talk and meme good memes but on the field of battle they're dogshit and they know it.
Then see with your own eyes:
April 14, France, UK and US give missile strikes to Damascus.
April 17 (while I'm typing this), Russia gives bulldozers, cranes, trucks, excavators, cables, pipes and wood to Damascus.
Who's the wolf?
You people are disgusting.
>Obama's idea but he chickened out. Trump has struck Syria twice now
Donald Trump: "When it came time to, as an example, send out the 59 missiles, the Tomahawks in Syria. I’m saying to myself, “You know, this is more than just like, 79 (sic) missiles. This is death that’s involved,” because people could have been killed."
Seriously? Seriously??? SERIOUSLY?? No shit, Sherlock.
Read through this and similar statements and try to understand the rationale of the farts that pass for thought processes inside the hollow ball this man has on top of his neck and you'll quickly come to the realization that this guy simply doesn't have enough mental capacity to understand what he's doing... that's why he takes the course of action that he takes.
What a simpleton, what a real child. If he was my child I would be embarrassed to even be seen with him.
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