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>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Federal Bureau of Investigation on Monday raided the offices and home of U.S. President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen, law enforcement sources said, in a dramatic new development in a series of probes involving close Trump associates.
>Cohen’s lawyer, Stephen M. Ryan, said that U.S. prosecutors conducted a search that was partly a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.
>Mueller is investigating whether members of Trump’s 2016 campaign colluded with Russia during the U.S. presidential election. Trump has called the probe a “witch hunt” and denied any collusion.
>“Today, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” Ryan said in a statement.
>“I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller,” Ryan said.
>Monday’s raids were first reported by The New York Times.
>Cohen has been at the center of a controversy surrounding a payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, who has alleged that she had sex once in 2006 with Trump and was paid money shortly before the 2016 election to keep quiet about it.
>Cohen did not immediately respond to Reuters for a request for comment. A spokesman for Mueller had no comment.
>A source familiar with the investigation said that among the items the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s office in Manhattan sought in the raids were information on the origins of a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford.
>Cohen has said that he paid the $130,000 settlement money from his own pocket through a personal home equity loan. Trump, in comments to reporters on Air Force One last week, said that he did not know about the payment.
>The FBI and U.S. Attorney’s office on Monday also sought any emails between former White House communications director Hope Hicks and Cohen about a false and misleading account that Trump helped prepare of a June 9, 2016, meeting between Trump’s son Donald Trump, Jr. and son-in-law Jared Kushner and a group of Russians who had promised “dirt” on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, another source familiar with the investigation said.
>Such emails would not be covered by attorney-client privilege, this source said, because Cohen did not represent Hicks.
>Ryan, in his statement, called the search warrants executed by the U.S. Attorney’s office in Manhattan “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.”
>“It resulted in the unnecessary seizure of protected attorney client communications between a lawyer and his clients,” he said.
>Ryan said that Cohen has cooperated with authorities and turned over thousands of documents to congressional investigators for their own probes into Moscow’s alleged efforts to influence the U.S. election.
>The New York Times, citing a source, said FBI agents seized emails, tax documents and business records.
I want y'all to understand that before I explain in detail that this is a very loud move by the FBI, so if there is ANY paperwork for this that's even REMOTELY out of place there will be heads rolling at the bureau.
They didn't just raid his house, they raided his OFFICE.
With a WARRANT.
It is SUPER hard to get a warrant to raid a practicing lawyer's office - attorney-client privilege is taken very seriously in law. For a judge (and for the warrant to be served by the FBI, this would have to be multiple judges, at least one of which is a TRUMP APPOINTEE) to sign off on this the case for doing so must be absolutely ironclad.
This is real shit.
To further this, the judge that signs off on search warrants is a Federal Magistrate Judge.
IN ADDITION to this, for the office of a practicing lawyer to be searched, the head of the USAM - a Presidential appointee (not necessarily a Trump one, grab your tinfoil) must also sign off on it, AND the criminal division of the Department of Justice must be consulted.
So at least 3 high level officials from 3 separate offices, at least two of which are under the President, signed off on this.
FURTHERMORE - by federal law the officer in execution of the warrant is required to leave it with the tenant. So Cohen knows exactly what statues the FBI thinks he broke, and exactly what evidence they siezed to prove it.
If he wants to publish it, that's his perogative. Only the application process for the warrant is kept under seal - unless Mr. Cohen issues Habeus Corpus, in which case he would be allowed to see it.
>Cohen has said that he paid the $130,000 settlement money from his own pocket through a personal home equity loan. Trump, in comments to reporters on Air Force One last week, said that he did not know about the payment.
I know you'll reply saying that's fine but it actually isn't. but please hit me with your epic rebuttal, I'm sure this whole thing is just a witch hunt
>It is SUPER hard to get a warrant to raid a practicing lawyer's office - attorney-client privilege is taken very seriously in law.
>A judge must sign off on warrant
Man, it must be hard to find a judge that dislikes trump in a state as blue as new york... your probably right anon, total iron clad investigation and the trump train is crashing with no survivors because he stuck his benis in a porn star and she accepted money to stay quiet about it
>Why does this matter?
>Mr Cohen's $130,000 payment to Ms Daniels just before the 2016 election could count as an illegal contribution to President Trump's campaign.
>Trevor Potter, president of the Campaign Legal Center, said if Mr Cohen did this on Mr Trump's behalf, "that is a co-ordinated, illegal, in-kind contribution by Cohen for the purpose of influencing the election".
>Democrats Ted Lieu and Kathleen Rice, representatives for California and New York respectively, have asked the FBI to investigate Mr Cohen's payment to Ms Daniels.
so his lawyer paid stormy daniels money to keep quiet before the campaign and they want to argue it was an illegal campaign donation.
have fun arguing that in court
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conservatives control the government, your narrative that liberals are somehow prosecuting the president from within, and not only that but doing so armed with NOTHING, is absurd. It's a fairy tale conservatives tell themselves to feel better about what a shit job at governing they do with their corrupt as hell cronies.
I don't care who controls government, what should matter exclusively is reason working on evidence.
To that effect, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Barring evidence beyond reasonable doubt of a mass conspiracy, we have to weigh whether our intelligence agencies in one corner have a better track record of trustworthiness, or the GOP, Republican legislators, and Donald Trump in the other corner.
And no matter who is in power or who tries to muddy the waters with whataboutism from the left or right, that remains the core relevant question if we want there to be justice in this matter.
If one's position is that there is a conspiracy, and every piece of incriminating evidence against Donald Trump is jt evidence of how deep the rabbit hole goes, that's called an unfalsifiable idea. It exists to reinforce itself. And when a theory is unfalsifiable, it's an opinion, it has no predictive value.
The Internet and the meme have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all. Even now my shitpost is reaching millions throughout the world - millions of despairing men, women, and little children - victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.
Judges that are elected tend to keep their job because they support the will of party that got them into office to begin with, which often spends considerable cash on their campaigns.
I believe the judges in question are appointed, however, and every judge that is appointed is appointed specifically because he shares the views of those who appointed him. Ya don't see Republicans appointing socially liberal judges, nor Democrats appointing social conservatives.
...and, in either case, judges are just about impossible to get rid of.
I'm not even doubting they had to have something pretty convincing to get this warrant, given how many hoops and layers they would have to have gone through to get it, but that statement is just naive as fuck.
ya pretty much this.
sure, they may have had something convincing to get the warrant but judges act along party lines all the time.
when trump tried to do the travel ban the supreme court judges in california immediately blocked it and said Turnip didn't have the power to do it, when that exact power is given to the executive branch in the constitution.
it was a 100% party line move
An explanation of why this matters / how it happened by a lawyer:
Mueller didn't launch this raid. He passed evidence to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, which is run by a Trump appointee.
I wonder when will the biased investigation of the "special" counsel gonna die and burn in hell. One year and they're still nowhere close to finding evidence of collusion. One year and all we have are mindless raids against honest, hard-working people like Mr. Cohen.
An absolute witch hunt!
This. And not only this, but the search was into the office of a practicing attorney. That is normally protected by attorney-client privilege, and this can only be circumvented if both the US attorney for that district (Geoffrey Berman, a Trump Appointee) AND the criminal division of the department of justice (dunno how high up but presumably high enough to also be an appointee, and therefore a Trump appointee) sign off on it.
So not only was this carried out by an office run by Trump's own people, they would have personally approved it.
The only reason I can think of why is that they decided things would be even worse if they hadn't done it.
Yes, but crooked Mueller was the reason why this happened in the first place, and Mueller's investigation is absolutely pointless and groundless, and it has been so since the beginning. 1 year and no collusion proof!
Mueller has authority to investigate any potential crime that has arisen directly from his Russian probe. That includes anything he discovers against any figures related to Trump and his campaign team, which, obviously, includes Cohen.
He was specifically given authorization to also investigate any matters that might arise in the course of the collusion investigation. Trump's lifetime of financial crime is going to be what ultimately gets him into trouble. Do any research at all and you'll see that Trump, like a lot people in his industry, was connected to all kinds of illegal money and shady financial dealings throughout his career.
This Stormy Daniels nonsense (if that's what this warrant is about) doesn't arise directly from the Russia probe. It was probably incidentally collected, which is why Mueller did not and is probably not authorized to conduct a raid on Cohen's office himself, and instead referred the evidence that he had collected to a place that DOES have the authority to conduct that investigation: a US Attorney's office.
Personally, I'm just curious what the reaction of his rabid conservative christfag fanbase would be to definitive proof.
Don't see anything wrong with sleeping around, personally, but perhaps a president should have a bit more class. I suppose the "one of us" aspects is why so much trash support him.
Hand over ears. Insistent ululation. Weeping over the evils of a world where a fine Christian figure like Trump is denigrated and heaped with lies and false accusations. Gathering at church to talk about how much they want to put them damn liberals in concentration camps.
Christianity and Trumpism are mutually exclusive beliefs. You can't worship two gods and disregard the teachings of jesus and of the bible and claim to be christian. Trumpism is a cult that uses Christian symbolism to draw in new recruits. These people will never not support Trump because you cannot reason people out of a position they never reasoned themselves into in the first place.
>This has nothing to do with Mueller and the Russia probe.
>Two very different investigations.
That's not what the news is saying. Of course I'm sure they'll issue several corrections/retractions once their conspiracy theories don't pan out, as per usual.
Which news? It's not like there's one "news" place out there.
Besides, it's completely irrelevant what anybody says. Those are the facts. There was a signed warrant. There was a certain jurisdiction. There are legal representatives involved and Mueller is not among them.
Can you name the last time anyone in high office was put in jail?
Ruined her campaign and were thus instrumental, or at least partly responsible, in getting Trump into power - thus not exactly bias towards Democrats or against Trump. Also largely headed by folks hired by Trump, so...
i.... is dat u daddi drumpf?
It doesn't change the fact that two of your appointees saw enough probable cause to sign off on a search warrant against your lawyer. Perhaps you should have kept your pitbull on a shorter leash, Mr. President. Hopefully there isn't anything that can be used to vindicate your impeachment precedings after the dems sweep next November in your personal lawyer's office/hotel room, but if I were a betting man......
This does make this investigation look like they are fishing for anything they can find, rather than the accusation of the trump campaign “colluding” with the Russian govt, whatever that means. Foreign govts and business have been meddling in our affairs for years, and buying politicians. I think only one person has ever been charged and convicted for doing this, and I would bet there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of people doing lobbying work on behalf of foreign interests in the US.
Selective outrage over this is hypocrisy, although I’m glad if they are going to keep a closer eye on foreign lobbyists, or any lobbyist “meddling” in our elections. Although no one seemed to really listen or care about this issue until the last election didn’t go the way it was supposed to go. If they cared so much they would pass laws and reform the system so nobody can “meddle” in our elections. It’s a joke to pretend that they really care. The biggest mistake trump made since being elected was firing comey. You made some very powerful enemies when you did that, and the people closest to him should have done anything to talk him out of it. The rest of this stuff is mostly nonsense, a echo chamber circle jerk of cable news talking heads spewing out the same bullshit, preaching to the choir. Everyone with their heads shoved so far up their own asses that they refuse to look at anything differently or think for themselves. These idiots are saying that the US looks like 1930’s Germany in one breath, and then the same person says we need to pass gun control now? So which way is it? It’s a whole bunch of hysteria, which is more ridiculous than anything they are screaming about after being baited and triggered by whatever trump says that day.
How exactly does it look like "fishing for anything they can find"?
Mueller queued in an entirely different set of investigators that has nothing to do with the Russian probe. He merely tipped them off.
This "witch hunt" bullshit really falls apart. Especially now. The fact that Dotard went on to say there was no collusion with the Russians when the topic wasn't even remotely related to that aside from having Mueller's name indirectly connected to Cohen's faults gives to show that the orange monkey is panicking, because he's guilty.
I'd love to see Trump's braindead supporters celebrate and defend him after he fires Mueller just like he fired Comey. "No collusion" will surely give way to "no obsturction of justice".
>Mueller queued in an entirely different set of investigators that has nothing to do with the Russian probe. He merely tipped them off.
Which makes zero sense- his probe has the authority to investigate any additional criminal matters that are discovered during the course investigation, regardless of if they actually have to do with Russia. There's no reason this /needed/ to be handed off to a separate unit.
Unless of course, you're purposefully putting a PR buffer between you and an attempt at gaining access to attorney-client communications you, very notably, couldn't get access to otherwise.
>"This "witch hunt" bullshit really falls apart. Especially now." says the nervous man for the 13th time this year
Literally what are you talking about?
He won't be getting anything unless it has to do with the crime being investigated regardless of who's taking a look. That's precisely the reason why an independent lawyer team will be sorting out the paperwork that's been seized before handing it to the investigating unit: to preserve the attorney-client confidentiality.
You goons and your tinfoil theories.
you talk about evidence, but present none that supports any sort of theory that they are legally able to get a search warrant off of only "unfasifiable self reinforcing opiontheories" as you so eloquently put it. The burden of proof is on the deep state conspiracy nuts, and you have presented none. the fact that the investigation continues and is serving warrants is proof of the "theory" that trumps cronies are corrupt being "falsifiable" or whatever pseudointellectual standard of proof you want to set. Come back and tell me some more about unfalsifiable and self reinforcing it all is when trumps lawyer is on trial, and see if that makes it any less real then.
He should have never fired Comey, and he would have to fire sessions and rosenstein to even get to Mueller, which would be another horrible mistake. Just let Mueller do his investigation.
It looks like fishing because what the fuck does this have to do with "the russians hacked the election" narrative? Thats what this is about right? I was under the assumption that he was investigating russian interference, meddling, hacking, whichever word they are now using, of our elections, and how thats bad. No? Where does raiding a personal attorneys office over an affair with a porn star come into this? Does she work for the russians too? What does this have to do with the investigation? And good luck proving those accusations against Cohen. If you look at this without bias, than you will ask some questions about whether this is relevant.
Maybe I'm falling behind all this due to rapidly shifting into "can't bring myself to give a shit" mode, but why would the FBI be have a "Stormy Case"?
Isn't the idea he slept with a porn star while still married? I don't think Adultery is a federal offense - or even a legal offense at all, in many states. Did he lie about it under oath? Is this gonna be Monicagate 2.0?
I always say there's very little difference between the parties, but if the Democrats pull that bullshit too, yeesh.
Meh, I wrote this off as one of those "oh look what a jerk Trump is", the Democrats accusing him of sleeping with a porn star while being blind to the fact that his just gives him even more bro points among his supporters. So yeah, been ignoring it.
Granted, even a payoff like that isn't enough to get him kicked from office. It'll teflon off him like everything else - at best his attorney will be boned.
"The raids involving Mr. Cohen provide the clearest signal so far that the investigation has expanded beyond a narrow special counsel probe of alleged Russian electoral meddling, and is now a multifaceted Justice Department inquiry into an array of Mr. Trump’s associates."
It's not that i dislike technology at all. In fact I love tech, but we need to use these marvelous innovations as a whole. The only salvation for man is to be united and put all the useless monetary funding toward the betterment of humanity and for scientific milestones that could push mankind to the furthest reaches of the stars.
Cohen's offices and home were raided by the FBI under the guidance of the DoJ not the special counsel. Mueller may have tipped them off but they still had to get approval by the DoJ and get a warrant from a judge for each raid.
An investigator can pursue charges for any illegal thing they find during an investigation. It does not matter if they were originally there for something else.
Yes, I mean we have five media whole companies that own all the others and control all broadcasting and movies, only three of which do "news" broadcasting, and those three are all majority owned by two families. Oh, and if you read the fine print, much more than half of those "news" sources are actually "entertainment", and thus in no way responsible for the veracity of their claims, beyond their reputation. (Which doesn't much matter when your target audience likes the lies you're telling, and each member seems to have a very specific target audience.)
That's before we even get to shit like the Church Committee Report, Cointelpro, and, more recently, Sock Puppet.
I suppose there's still a billion blogs out there though, which are of course never untrustworthy nor bias, and consist purely full of old school professional journalism. Really.
>The deep state is private enterprise
What? Wait... Actually...
In any case, it isn't much of a "conspiracy" when everything he said is a matter of public record.
Reuters is UK, and if you wanna talk conspiracy, go to /pol/ they'll be quick to inform you that they are owned by the Rothschild family.
AP isn't a single news company, they are a voluntary association of existing media working through a non-profit mechanism. The fact that they are a non-profit, however, means they have to remain neutral by law (and government controlled on site, since they also are the official vote counters, both federally and locally). Thus, yes, they are good in that fashion, with a mission statement to boil away the bias from the stories they do pass on and strip them to their essentials. Though, when referencing the Soviet Union, it is a sad state of affairs when just about the most trustworthy news source in the US is de facto government controlled. (Even then, they manage to get accused of leaning left, simply for that fact - though also for a heavy track record of support for Palestine.)
Not that they are perfect either, with the Christopher Newton incident, banning the phrase "illegal immigrant", and like Reuters, technically being owned by the Rothchilds.
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