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Just when you thought the protests over the shooting of Stephon Clark >>241031 were dying down, last night a sacramento police car ran over a female protestor at one of the rallies... and then flees the scene
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in all fairness, according to the article the cruiser was surrounded and he ordered them to move 4+ times.
and by 'ran over' what is really meant is that she was tapped by the vehicle and suffered very minor injuries.
they shouldnt have been literally obstructing justice
OK but since when is essentially ramming someone with a vehicle acceptable police tactics to disperse protesters blocking a thoroughfare? They can arrest people who don't comply, they can wait for riot police to fire tear gas.
In any case, this was a hit and run. If I did this to someone and the exact same series of events were caught on video, I would probably be liable. Let alone that it was a hit-and-run.
When your car is surrounded by people who won't let you pass what else can you do. You either wait it out and hope they don't bash their way in or start rolling and hope they are smart enough to move. Also the fact that she was morning for it to stop shows that she saw him coming and chose not to move. Dumbass protestors need to learn that the street is for cars
>If I did this to someone and the exact same series of events were caught on video, I would probably be liable. Let alone that it was a hit-and-run.
>but since when is essentially ramming someone with a vehicle acceptable police tactics to disperse protesters blocking a thoroughfare?
legally they are allowed to protest, but not to obstruct the duties of a peace officer.
i think it is perfectly legal for a peace officer to continue doing his lawful duty even if someone is trying to obstruct him. if the person gets injured trying to obstruct the peace officer's lawful duty, that is their fault, not the officers
>i think it is perfectly legal for a peace officer to continue doing his lawful duty even if someone is trying to obstruct him. if the person gets injured trying to obstruct the peace officer's lawful duty, that is their fault, not the officers
But letting "I was just doing my job; she just happened to be in the path of my vehicle" be considered acceptable excuse sets a ridiculous precedent on an ethical level, and on a legal level it isn't recognized as a valid excuse for violence by any laws I know of.
In just about all states, people generally have the right to use reasonable force to escape circumstances in which violence is being used against them. Blocking traffic is illegal but that alone isn't enough to justify hitting someone with a vehicle as a reasonable response. Yeah, it'll work, but effectiveness isn't the only dimension along which actions are judged as right or wrong in this context.
It's better for someone to suffer inconvenienced and then perhaps later the offender blocking traffic is arrested and meets justice, than to escalate and cause bodily injury just to avoid inconvenience.
so by your definition of whats ok and whats not ok, you could simply surround an entire police station with protesters and then start looting and rioting the city and the police would not be within their rights to forcibly move the protesters out of the way to do their job and stop crime?
They legally can and generally should forcibly remove people from the road who are illegally blocking traffic, and that's done by arresting people or waiting for riot police to disperse the crowd.
Accelerating an SUV into protesters being inconvenient and blocking traffic isn't acceptable because it involves otherwise avoidable violence.
If you want harsh punishment for crimes so that we have greater deterrence, I can understand how that can at least be arguably justifiable on a case by case basis.
But deterrence is something the criminal justice does using sentencing done by a judge. Putting law enforcement officers themselves in charge of deciding punishment is generally something a society of law and order tries to avoid because it gives too much power to the executive branch to circumvent the judicial branch. The roll police play in law enforcement is to arrest people, deescalate tense situations,.and prevent imminent violence. It's not desirable to have a society where non-violent people live in fear of cops.
Dishonesty generates some of that hatred/hatefulness. If people were open and honest, and if while we were talking to each other we remember we are talking to another human, fallible yet worthy, then a lot of this mess could be swept away.
As it is, """they""" have us infighting, never thinking to pull our heads out of our asses to look up (big picture) and identify the actual problem.
Defeat will come with echo chambers and the masses fighting/discussing the problems of our time (ancient problems, really), never using our hands for anything other than typing away on a keyboard.
Words do not equal action
A lot of different factors at play.
Patrol lights were on and flashing, meaning people shouldn't be fucking around in front or behind them, even camera guy. The car did clearly hit her, but again, lights were on and patrol partner car was leaving, implying that they got a call. However, this call did not seem too urgent because first car did not just tear away, it looked more like a normal acceleration rate unless partner was going slow so as not to lose visual contact with surrounded car. And he did order the people crossing to move.
Ultimately, I think the lady is in the wrong for knowingly and intentionally crossing the path of a law enforcement vehicle that was clearly attempting to do its duty, but the officer could have used more tact and slowly pushed through instead of the small but abrupt acceleration.
there were two police vehicles closely following each other and she jumps in front of the second vehicle.
she deserved it, even if this were a normal driver there is no way the operator would be found at fault.
did the driver even know his vehicle tapped her?
with all the people banging on the vehicles body it would be near impossible to tell you lightly struck somebody with the passenger side of the vehicle
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