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What did they mean by this?
These people may be different from the day they are born, but people aren't born as vindictive neo-nazis, they are made this way by a lifetime of ostracization.
Just keep perpetually using the shootings as a reason for students and school faculties to look for more misfits to single out as pieces of shit, accuse the losers of being the next Cruz, use it as another big reason for them to be constantly picked on and have them thoroughly ostracized.
Make the Sandy Hook promise, witch-hunt the kids that get picked on or don't fit in.
Make sure thoughts of a shooting are often on their minds, hell, remind them on the TV every night when they get home.
Then when another one of them finally does it, you can say, "Hey, we all knew this faggot was a school shooter in the making, we've been saying it for years, it's no surprise. Everyone singled him out as the turd in the punch bowl"
>they are made this way by a lifetime of ostracization.
no doubt the senior leadership of the nazi party also only went out and engineered the holocaust because they were bullied in school by their classmates
also, klan members only became klan members because their redneck uncles raped them in the ass when they were children, and stalin only murdered like ten million people because his classmates kept taking his bread rations
>it certainly is not an accurate depiction of what I was saying.
everything you said other than "people aren't born as vindictive neo-nazis, they are made this way by a lifetime of ostracization" is window dressing
this statement itself is premised on the premise that people don't become vindictive neo-nazis any other way, such as their own shittiness
that premise is garbage
>this statement itself is premised on the premise that people don't become vindictive neo-nazis any other way, such as their own shittiness
No. It was never said or meant to be implied that there are not many factors at play.
Or that it is the only way it can happen and is always the case, or is always a major cause.
The point there is that Adolf Hitler was not born wearing a swastika and his first words were not "kill the Jews"
He is a great example of someone who grew up feeling ostracized and became the worst fucking Nazi of all time. I believe it played a big role in his case and many others. It's probably the case with most neo-nazi fags.
i agree that there are many factors at play, and part of the attraction of fascism (and by extension neo-nazism) comes from alienation from society, but when you write down the words "made that way" it strongly implies that 1. the individual himself lacks agency and 2. that it's THE primary factor if not the only factor, and places the responsibility on the people around him for "not being nice enough" in rejection of any solution that might be considered harsh towards these poor, misunderstood individuals.
it's like when some ghetto kid shoots someone in a liquor store robbery gone wrong and people wring their hands and say it's not his fault, it's the fault of poverty and racism and the shitty neighborhood and da white man keeping them down in general, which certainly contributes, but if you say "well he was made that way" it's the equivalent of throwing up your hands and throwing all the blame on whitey for not being nice enough. it's stupid.
>it strongly implies that 1. the individual himself lacks agency and 2. that it's THE primary factor if not the only factor, and places the responsibility on the people around him for "not being nice enough" in rejection of any solution that might be considered harsh towards these poor, misunderstood individuals.
Well that was not meant to be implied, you keep putting things "between the lines".
Cruz was a screwball loser, and of course all blame is on him. Though they say he's fucked in the head, allegedly having autism and other severe mental problems, so he might not have had the full capacity and accountability of one who has a sound mind.
I think Cruz was basically turned into a Neo-Nazi /pol/tard by being pushed away and rejected from the normie community in his largely Jewish school. He was an outcast ever since he was a young and fucked up kid, and that can turn one into these types. Looking at his history you can see how it just got worse and worse, making him more outcast and angry, further alienating and turning him increasingly more fucked up and fanatical. This isn't just about Cruz though, you can see it happening with how things are going in this culture, with this kind of polarization.
Do I even need to add, just look at /pol/?
there is no affirmative duty on the part of seventh-grade children to befriend murderous sociopaths in order to avoid them from later shooting up a school because tfw no friends.
>Naw she bullied him
actually, i heard she castrated him with a pickle fork and that's why he ended up so fucked in the head. crazy, right? she belongs in jail.
Yeah, I don't know. The news outlets claim he was practically one of "their guys", but they can't really be trusted with how much they bullshit us.
Still, I'm pretty sure the ostracizing and bullying played a major role in forming his character and bringing the bloodshed
At my school most rejects received token friendliness from the popular kids. They'd invite them to join school clubs and sat with them at lunch. They got made fun of behind their backs but they were treated with basic civility in person. The kids that got ostracized were sperges with behavioral problems who got into fights and cussed people out.
>Shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz had swastikas on ammunition magazines
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>The hatred he and others in the group espoused met little resistance from its active members. In one part of the group chat, Cruz wrote that he hated, "jews, ni**ers, immigrants."
>He talked about killing Mexicans, keeping black people in chains and cutting their necks.
>There are hundreds of racist messages, racist memes and racist Instagram videos posted in the group.
>Why do you keep making excuses. She bullied him she admitted it. Now after the fact she tries to backtrack.
Probably not, this guy sounds like an evil asshole. But even if she did who cares? We split hairs about conservative and trump supporter violence but if there's ever a liberal who commits violence, nobody would give them benefit of doubt.
>the senior leadership of the nazi party also only went out and engineered the holocaust because they were bullied in school by their classmates
Well that's not wrong. Who knows what would have happened if the Jews at the head of Wien's university had let Hitler in?
Shunning is definitely bullying.
It usually also contains spreading rumours about you and/or misrepresenting your views. It basically mocks you.
The muh nazi bs is exactly a form of that, but it can also be just people that might be very similar to you in many forms of opinion but differ on 1 hot issue. Like immigration for example.
If you then start to isolate one person only based on your inability to live and let live, it is asking for trouble.
I beat up one of my classmates in uni for constantly being a cunt to me and looking for trouble when he was drunk. He had spread all sorts of rumors about me and started mocking me in public (while drunk). After kicking his ass and he publicly apologized it was all good. Especially when I explained my views in class and many people became interested.
Of course this could have all been prevented if the insufferable cunt was an honest human being, but he choose to be a little bitch and talk shit behind my back. Talk shit, get hit.
One of them claimed they hid under a "dead body" (a cis male who was 1/4 dead) and were told that leaving an innocent to bleed to death was very "brave" of them. I personally think all those kids at least in the news are assholes, but that's just my opinion
They mean that he was a weird fuck and nobody wanted to play with him lol. Should they have hung out with him out of pity? Nobody actively went out of their way to shit on his life, he was just fucking weird, and he didn't get a participation trophy for friendship. Do you faggots want participation trophies? Fucking lel
That's really the issue here. Almost all youths who become shooters or otherwise a part of mass violence are completely cut off from social circles that would give them the support needed to prevent them from considering or at least going through with violence. The common thread among shooters is that they're all isolated from their peers moreover than any other single trait.
Of course, you can't expect people, particularly children, to associate with everyone equally. A few students will always fall through the cracks, and attempting to force classmates to buddy up with loner types, most of which typically have very atrophied social skills, is never going to result in genuine interaction, partially because the students will come to resent working with a basket case and partially because the nature of social status will always result in the relationship always being a superior/inferior one. We know the problem with youth, but we have no clue how to fix the problem because it runs so deep.
You don't know how true you are.
Third Reich could be established because Germany was "bullied" after WW I with reparations they couldn't pay.
Cummunism could be established in Russia because simple folk was "bullied" by the high class. Millions died in great famines before revolution too.
>klan members only became klan members because their redneck uncles raped them in the ass when they were children
Don't know much about KKK, but that sounds about right.
Generally, no one bothers to do anything when they're happy, but they seek change when they're not. And the more unhappy they are, the more radical the changes they want. Even Romans knew that bread and circus was the thing that held the empire together.
>Everyone should've been his friend! That girl should've sucked his dick!
This shit is ridiculous. Every single account from the people around him say he was an aggressive nutcase and they felt like he was a threat to their safety. His foster parents threw him out of the house as soon as they could because of his psycho behavior.
How many of you fags made an effort to hang out with a kid who made death threats on a fairly regular basis and had frequent run-ins with the police?
Here's how I see it. He harassed and stalked his classmates. Classmates get told he's a poor troubled sperg, you can't ostracize him. He shoots up the school.
Teachers in special ed KNOW they have time bombs in their classroom, they keep crying on about how these poor sociopath's fee fees are hurt. This happened because society says ostracizing a psychopath is the same as ostracizing shy Jimmy who has trouble making friends. Heck even the Autism spectrum which puts shy socially akward kids in the same group as 200 pound tard strength "UUUHHHHH" sound makers who can't help not knowing you don't hit other people, is based upon inclusivity at all costs.
I was in special ed. (Haha 4Channer was a reetard who'd have thought?!) I was harassed by psychos like Nikolas. My mom would call the school, the school once told my mom my bully suffers more than me, and she should feel sorry for it. This is where our public schools are right now. You're a abuhlest if you don't let cat killer Mikey hang out with you. There's going to be a point where the straw breaks. I can see it coming. People saying you keep dangerous students out of our schools. Faulting students for ostracizing someone who proved to be a complete monster. So children aren't allowed to have boundaries?
It sounds nice when you hear about the harmless Autistic getting invited to prom. The problem is schools don't like that everyone knows they are coddling the Charlie Mansons up in special ed, and blubbering about stigma and bullying. Do they not care these monsters make life hell for innocent Autistics in their classes? See that if they were an adult they'd be in prison or a group home?
I say the time for crying about the sociopaths being bullied needs to end. That students video every incident they cause, and if the school does nothing, post it all over social media. The time for pretending the predatory are the preyed upon is over. The schools won't stop them, the students will.
his parents probably wished the other kids invited him to birthday parties and didnt exclude him all his life while they watched and could do nothing about it. all you can do is plead to the other parents that you want your son to have fun too, but the other parents might have just been as miserable of cunts as you are.
not sympathizing with the Cruz kid. but i grew up when you had to invite everyone in your grade school class to your birthday, even if you didnt like them all that much. if we lose that as a society and use this moment to encourage neutral malice instead, we better have guns ready to protect ourselves lmao
>though some argue that could be a form of bullying
Yes. I think the Supreme Court might be one of those "some", since they've ruled before that you can't just put every prisoner in solitary confinement because that would be cruel and unusual punishment. I'm right on this, aren't I?
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