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if you are a land lord or a business owner in california it is illegal to answer any questions a federal immigration official may ask you, and if you do answer any of their questions you will be fined $10000. it is also illegal for police to co-operate with immigration officials in any way.
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>can't do ICE's job
You morons are only fucking yourselves over. State and local agencies are expected to assist federal authorities on request. This is part of the reason why the DoD funds state law enforcement agencies.
If you REALLY want ICE to do 100% of the legwork then you are going to wind up with tons of ICE agents crawling all over the place all the time.
Why go through so much effort for people who aren't even citizens? They're just gonna put the immigrants back where they came from, not harm them. Whats the fuss all about? Can't Californians just go volunteer in Mexico if its such a bad place? How is immigration gonna help? I don't get it, like I get the Mexicans coming to America, but why do Americans fight to keep them in America and not deport them? Are they friends with the immigrants or something? Do they want cheap labor? Like if all the liberals pooled their cash, couldn't they build some factories in South America or something and let the immigrants have jobs close to home. It just seems weird to incentivize a group of people to abandon their homes for jobs.
Yes, but the Republican party are anti-Americna as well. So they won't do what is necessary. The Oakland Mayor should be in prison right fucking now for warning the filthy border hoppers of the government raid to arrest and deport them back to their coloerd shitholes of origin. And EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE LEFT is defending the fucking mayor. It's over. This country is dead. Democrats are all traitors and deserve to hang. Every. Last. One.
>born in Kansas in 1991
>Move to Cali in 2018
>Get pulled over for a speeding ticket, have to check my fingerprints against the Cali registry
>I'm a law abiding citizen so I've never been fingerprinted before
That is what we want. We won't become a police state if that is what you fear.
They are only taking those who are breaking the law like selling drugs, dirtying up our streets, evading taxes, siphoning public help like food stamps, the list can go on and on
They get legal drivers licenses and from there without voter ID laws are able to cast votes and California never goes red. Once it successfully works in California the democrats will utilize the same tactic in every area of the country they can to solidify the party never has to deal with another Trump again. Plus the idea is it will inspire globalism, "I'm not a citizen of America I'm a citizen of the world" and the Dems masters will get one step closer to a one world authoritarian government.
>Rampant voter fraud with illegals.
This is fake news.
Sorry guys. California is basically Mexico. The majority of the land owners here were Mexican until they were pushed out by rich white people with connections raising the property taxes, and illegally deporting thousands of people who's families had been here for generations. This is backlash. We love the tacos, we love the cheap labor, and we love the parties. California loves "Mexicans" because they're not really Mexicans, they're Californians. If people get arrested committing crimes, ICE can come get them, or do the dirty work themselves. We aren't going to waste our time or resources deporting the elote man and giving ICE the credit. Fuck them.
>They are only taking those who are breaking the law
you mean like illegally living in the united states?
>Imagine being so stupid that you can't possibly imagine how this affects the rest of the nation, what with rampant voter fraud with illegals
but this has been part of their plan all along
>Don't celebrate that
and why the fuck not?
>Rampant voter fraud with illegals.
>This is fake news
your post is fake news. you can literally register your dogs to vote in california. google it. it has been done many times and reported on by mainstream media, and without checking ID there is no way to verify whoever is registering to vote is even a person, let alone a person legally eligible to vote
I googled "voter fraud in California" all that came up were a bunchof Fox News and brietbart articles, and the few other more trustworthy news organizations were simply reporting on 45s allegations, which of course, are unsighted and baseless.
There is no evidence of mass voter fraud, period.
>I googled "voter fraud in California"
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or just type in "man registers dog to vote"
you can do this in just about any blue state
>Next person said "dogs canberegistered to vote!"
>I stated there was no evidence that happened.
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Not a single one of these is in California.
>Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.
Massive voter fraud!
>Not a single one of these is in California.
well, if thats all you care about
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I'm a US citizen. I've legally obtained drivers licenses in multiple states over the past 3 decades. I've applied for and have been issued a US passport. I have never been arrested or commited any crime more serious than speeding.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN FINGERPRINTED.
You are a liar, and a moron.
There's not teeth to it. If someone was arrested for this, they just have to appeal up to a Fed court, which says Supremacy Clause and it's up to the State to then appeal that to SCOTUS, which I doubt they would do with any real intention for change.
After which, that plaintiff might have a very real and lucrative civil rights case against CA, which would then be held itself in Fed Court if it went to trial since the State of CA is a party to the suit.
>being around of your ethnic back ground is ok for anyone except white people, if white people do it they are neo-nazis
Lol good one anon damn white people and their civilization.
When the hordes of white people swept through my country they left nothing but hospitals, schools, museums, churches and libraries in their wake. It was devestating.
some states are non-compliant with real-id, however birth fingerprints can be scanned and integrated, and if nothing else you won't be able to avoid a fingerprint scanning phone for long so the nsa will be able to do what your state refuses
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I see plenty of shit like this. People act like our democracy is at stake every time a retarded bureaucrat makes a mistake, and registers someone to vote or keeps their name on the registry. It doesn't mean that person went on to vote. If dead people are still registered to vote, that means someone fucked up-to-date not that they voted. Even in the article you cited, it says that voter fraud is extremely rare
That being said, I don't understand why libs flip shit over voter I'd laws
>That being said, I don't understand why libs flip shit over voter I'd laws
Because everyone one of those laws is very selective as to what counts as ID, to the point where the courts said the South Carolina version "targeted African Americans with surgical precision." There's also tricky shit with trying to close ID-issuing offices in only certain areas (the ones that happen to not vote for the ruling party) to limit the number of IDs being issued. If they handed out free photo IDs upon registering to vote, these laws would be considered legal and nobody (reasonable) would complain.
>it says that voter fraud is extremely rare
has it ever been measured?
i mean, how can you tell if someone is committing voter fraud if you dont check their ID?
lack of evidence is not evidence of proof.
and there is no evidence one way or the other to address the voting fraud issue
>Cali takes it literally
>if you work in immigration, you cannot be spoken to. Unable to give you verbal warnings, cops will shoot you not risking the interpretation of hand gestures as conversation. Anyone who speaks to you on or off the job is arrested, and you cannot be answered in any way.
>Since there is no way to know for certain weither or not a poster works in immigration, all internet discussions are banned in California
>All signs are to be taken down for risk of communicating something to an immigration officer. All writing is to be locked away
>All Californians are required to remain motionless in place lest they communicate any emotions to any immigration officials. If the immigration official speaks, the citizen is required to hum as loudly as possible in a flat tone, with no fluctuations to suggest some kind of code.
>if you are a land lord or a business owner in california it is illegal to answer any questions a federal immigration official may ask you,
Except it doesn't. It means ICE can't force people to render information about other people without a warrant. What's wrong with obtaining a warrant? If there's evidence of wrongdoing, people should cooperate. If not, nobody should be harassed.
In any case, if folks are going to live and work here, it's better they do so explicitly because it's safer and better for everyone.
I want everyone willing to report crime to the police regardless of their immigration status. I want everyone that works in the US to be treated with the same standards because if folks are agreeing to work for less under the table, they'll be undercutting labor laws and thus competition.
Let the Federal government do its job, If immigration officials find evidence of undocumented folks working somewhere, let them get a warrant. What is our tax money paying them for? Locals shouldn't be forced to do the governments' job.
ICE never could force anyone to answer questions without a warrant. Prior to this law, residents of california had the option to volunteer information to ICE without being compelled to do so. This law seeks to strip that freedom, and force certain residents to remain silent until they are compelled to speak by ICE.
>if you are a land lord or a business owner in california it is illegal to answer any questions a federal immigration official may ask you, and if you do answer any of their questions you will be fined $10000. it is also illegal for police to co-operate with immigration officials in any way.
California is going to get sued and lose their ass, this isn't even debatable.
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Please quote the part that says a private citizen will be prosecuted by the state for speaking to anyone, because all I see are restrictions on state government officials.
its this law
>This bill would also prohibit a lessor, or an agent of a lessor, from disclosing to any person or entity information regarding or relating to the immigration or citizenship status of any tenant, prospective tenant, occupant, or prospective occupant of the rental property
>This bill would make it unlawful for a lessor to disclose to any immigration authority, law enforcement agency, or local, state, or federal agency information regarding or relating to the immigration or citizenship status of any tenant, occupant, or other person known to the lessor to be associated with a tenant or occupant,
>This bill would also prohibit a lessor, or an agent of a lessor, from disclosing
OK, thanks. And the State of California is going to lose this case on blatantly obvious 1st Amendment grounds, even if they're trying to go around it by claiming it's just a business regulation.
>And the State of California is going to lose this case on blatantly obvious 1st Amendment grounds
as a resident of california, i really hope it gets brought to the supreme court soon.
AG Sessions made a visit to california after this just to make a speech saying what they are doing is illegal and they plan to sue the state
california does NOTHING to make sure that the people voting are legally able to vote, they consider it discrimination and somehow find that it initimidates people and makes them not vote.
lol, the only people it makes not vote are the ones who do it multiple times illegally
That's their fucking plan. It's beyond "Tinfoil" at this point, the fucking communist fucks are actually doing this. It's going to come down to the god damn people actually going out, finding these people that are trying to KILL this country, and shooting them. Executing traitors is NOT EXTREMISM, it's protecting the future of your country. It's the same as taking out terrorists.
>>it says that voter fraud is extremely rare
>has it ever been measured?
Indeed, the Dems claim there’s no evidence of illegal voter fraud but as nobody is checking, how the fuck would anybody know?
And then you have shit like in Detroit during the presidential election, where the digital readouts on voting machine after voting machine would show 200-300-some votes being cast (almost exclusively for Hillary) but when the locked box underneath was opened up, there were only 50-odd ballots inside….
It was the breaking news of this blatant ballot box stuffing going on in predominantly Black districts in Michigan, that caused the courts to hurry up and shut down Jill Stein’s recount campaign.
And I’ve STILL never heard of any investigation taking place.
Seriously, the states being as united as they are was a huge mistake. At most the us should have as much say as the EU and let the states do their own thing. You can't take 50 different cultures and force them all to do the same things
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There are literally hundreds of voter monitor groups across this state working for both parties. I know, as I volunteered for one a few times.
Granted, they tend to ignore us. Our group found that the Diebold machines were falsely voting red across LA, back when they first put them in. In four years, they became the standard across the county, despite the ongoing court case and all the evidence presented therein, and continue to be so.
The way voting works in Cali though makes it hard for illegals to vote. You basically can't vote without stealing someone else's vote here. That tends to show up real fast. Indeed, it's the #1 type of "accidental" voter fraud - someone votes absentee or abroad, and then at the poll, forgetting they had done so or some shit. Gets investigated every time, usually ends with someone being eligible to vote for life and a slap on the wrist though.
State's gerrymandered to such a degree as to make that sort of voter fraud pointless anyways. The voter fraud is already in place, entirely legally - and that's true of most states, sadly. We're not going to have democracy in this country until districts are drawn up by automated formulae, and that's not going to happen, as the folks in power depend on gerrymandering to maintain their political monopolies (nor does anyone really want to find out what they'd do instead, were they robbed of that mechanism).
Yes, in a state where at least 96% of the districts have voted blue in every presidential election since Reagan, and of such size that even if every last illegal immigrant in the country voted in California, it would have weighed the outcome by less than 20%. Yes, all Pedro.
>The way voting works in Cali though makes it hard for illegals to vote. You basically can't vote without stealing someone else's vote here
Be illegal in california
go to DMV, ask for drivers license
on the form check "yes, register me to vote"
its not that hard.
Try getting a driver's license in California without not only a registered social security number, but also the physical card, and see how far you get. They won't even take a birth certificate in lieu of that (I know, I tried, and I'm white with roots here going back to the Mayflower.).
Well, at least one without a "i" on it.
Not that driver's licenses and voter registration are actually tied in California anyways. You can register to vote at any post office, but without a valid social security number, it doesn't go through, nor does it go through if said number has registered within four years.
Easiest way would be to get someone's social security number, who you know is alive but doesn't vote, and enough of their matching information to register, hoping they haven't already registered, and do it that way - but at that point, you've done full identity theft, and could do a lot more than just vote with that info - given the desperate situation a lot of illegals are in, voting might suddenly become the least of your concerns.
If you have a relative who is a citizen and doesn't vote, and can get his information, you could vote on his behalf, but it'd probably be about the same effort to get him off his ass.
Though, like >>239586 said, even if every illegal citizen in the nation lived in California and somehow voted, it wouldn't have changed the results.
>Try getting a driver's license in California without not only a registered social security number, but also the physical card, and see how far you get
>California has implemented a law providing for the automatic voter registration of motorists who obtain or renew driver's licenses
"This bill would require the department to issue an original driver’s license to a person who is unable to submit satisfactory proof that the applicant’s presence in the United States is authorized under federal law if he or she meets all other qualifications for licensure"
"The person’s motor vehicle records would then constitute a completed affidavit of registration and the person would be registered to vote, unless the person affirmatively declined to be registered to vote during a transaction with the department"
This cant be true.
If california gives illegals drivers licenses and then has a seperate law that automatically registers people with drivers licenses to vote, then illegals could vote in california.
If this were true, then why hasn't CNN or WaPo published an article about it?
Yes, California law lets illegals get a driver's license, but if you bothered to read the post, you'll discover two things:
1) It has a little "i" on it, so you are essentially registering yourself as illegal. (Suffice to say, in this climate, it is thus not popular, but it does stop you from having your car impounded for driving without a license.)
2) You do not need a driver's license to vote in California, you do not even need to visit the DMV - you need a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. The only two (legal) ways to get that, is either be born here, or be granted citizenship. You are not eligible to vote with a driver's license alone - they merely offer to attempt to register you to vote, if you are eligible.
>You do not need a driver's license to vote in California, you do not even need to visit the DMV - you need a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. The only two (legal) ways to get that, is either be born here, or be granted citizenship. You are not eligible to vote with a driver's license alone - they merely offer to attempt to register you to vote, if you are eligible.
This is true for federal elections (such as presidential elections) - but California has some odd "Citizen of the State" laws for local elections. Though, they tightened those up quite a bit since the mormons used the loophole to push Prop 8.
>automatically registers people with drivers licenses to vote
It doesn't. They give you a seperate form to register to vote with all the other DMV forms - same one that you can pick up at any post office and various activist's stands outside stores. You gotta put your SSN on it for it to be processed - the feds give those out.
1. Good, fuck immigration
2. Won't do shit because if you are fined you can appeal and it the case will eventually be thrown out. So ultimately useless law but I support leaving illegals alone so anything that furthers that cause I will still support.
Why would you need an ID to do that? SSN's are on file - you can look up all sorts of stuff about someone with their SSN. They don't process you in person, so there's no matching to be done, beyond does the information provided match the info under the SSN.
What I don't understand is why you need a physical social security card when you go to the DMV. It's the only place they'll ever ask for one. Had my wallet stolen, went for a new driver's license, and they wouldn't give it to me until I went and got the physical SSN card, which requires a birth certificate and then visiting another office entirely. ...Renewing my passport was easier.
Suffice to say, I keep that card in a safe, rather than in my wallet, along with the birth certificate now. (I also heard it'll cost you $1000 to replace the birth certificate.)
The sad thing is, California represents about a third of the US total economy.
The really sad thing is that there's only four states that really matter- New York, California, Massachusetts, and Texas combined make up 90% of the economy. The other forty-six states may as well not be there, save as backup resource rape.
...and the really, really sad thing is, of those four states, two keep screaming "succession" every four to eight years.
Any republican that pays taxes has failed in his primary duty as a republican.
That's counting the federal government as a state, so you're basically doubling the state's total income and reflecting that proportion - and guess what 14% times two is?
Use the chart with just the states:
im still wondering if your trolling or just that stupid.
yes, ive seen the same picture posted on the wikipedia page that lists US States by GDP and california is 14%
even if you remove the .5%, .03%, .02%, .006%, and .003% from the 5 US territories, and the 0.5% from DC and give all those percentage points to only california it still puts california more than half way below the claim of "California is a third of all US Economy"
>New York, California, Massachusetts, and Texas combined make up 90% of the economy
this claim is just ridiculously dumb
It's not their fucking jobs anyways so who cares. You want the goddamn firefighter to fix your plumbing too cus it involves water? Why have immigration police when they can't do their jobs without the regular police!? Cost too much damn money and they get nothing done anyways. Fucking retards.
You're also forgetting how they arrest the literal fucking "WHO?"s of illegal immigrants while the actual gangbangers and murderers are out there killing people and being put to death after serving a 30 to 40 year sentence with 3 square meals a day, a literal fucking gym, a roof over their head. Like what the actual fuck man?
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